[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
Welcome to the Truth Exchange podcast. This is a unique program where we have conversations about worldview all through the lens of one is a mantuism. This lens is based on Romans 1:25. We have exchanged the truth of God for the lie and worship and service of creation rather than the Creator who is blessed forevermore. Amen. Of course. I'm your host, Joshua Gila with Mary Weller. Mary, it's good to have you on.
[00:00:28] Speaker B: Hello, Joshua. It's good to be here on again.
[00:00:30] Speaker A: We got some rainy weather here in South Carolina right now, which all of my farmer friends who have been edging me and bumping me at church and saying, when are you going to do the next podcast? Well, here's your podcast. And farmers, I know that you all are rejoicing in the Lord because we have not had a lot of rain this season, which is not good for the farmers.
[00:00:51] Speaker B: No, it is not. No. California, it's been the same situation. Like we finally got a little rain kind of unseasonally. We got it in April. And I know people say April showers bring May flowers, but for us it's usually January and February.
[00:01:04] Speaker A: Right.
[00:01:04] Speaker B: And as a ski, you know, it's very sad to see it all come down now because none of it turned into snow.
Yeah.
All the ski reports are predicting that we're going to have an El Nino like bumper drop next year. So I'm praying that that's the case not just for skiing, but for the Central Valley too.
[00:01:23] Speaker A: Okay, so is it next year that we're supposed to get that extra rain
[00:01:28] Speaker B: this coming like, so it should start if it, if it comes to pass, it should start for us in November.
[00:01:36] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:01:37] Speaker B: So. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:01:39] Speaker A: Well, we have a bit of a, interesting episode today. This is not really addressing cultural issues per se, but it is and more, it's more focused on an announcement and one that's really, has been in, in planning for a while.
Back in end of July, I believe, I was on the phone with, with Dr. Rosario Butterfield and Kent Butterfield and we were just discussing a number of issues culturally that was going on. And she said, you know, why don't we do something together?
And I thought that would be amazing. And so we were, we were kicking around dates and, and for one reason or another, things weren't working out.
Praise the Lord. Something has, has come together and this isn't just going to be a Peter Jones and Mary and Joshua and Dr. Butterfield get together event. This is actually going to be really in, in the heartbeat or in the vein of What Truth Exchange, how Truth Exchange began, which was our think tanks.
[00:02:47] Speaker B: That's right.
[00:02:47] Speaker A: Truth Exchange has typically annually done a think tank.
And the think tank was not like a ministry conference, like Together for the Gospel or Ligonier Events, but really it was a pulling together of men and women from various academic fields addressing the cultural issues, but all looking through that lens of oneism and two ism. Mary, you probably have the names on the tip of your tongue before I would, but I want to say that this went back to 2003 and what the most clearest one in my mind is one ism. The poison pill, which I think was in 2009.
[00:03:31] Speaker B: Yes. That's the first one that I ran.
[00:03:33] Speaker A: Okay. And then we skipped a year and we did the exchange conference. And that was with.
Right, that was with Mark Driscoll and Kevin DeYoung and Francis Chan.
And then of course, a number of dear, dear friends from Truth Exchange, like Pamela Frost.
And then Truth Exchange, we skipped year. And that's when I came on staff, was that year that a think tank was skipped. And the following year we did the Beauty of Two or the Beauty of Twoism. And that was a marvelous event with Steve Barenzi, with Dennis Johnson, and then some of our friends.
I think it was Dana Gresh came out that year.
[00:04:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
We had Andrew Peterson play music at that event.
And he was so overwhelmed by Denis Johnson's presentation about the coming utopia.
[00:04:28] Speaker A: Nope, nope.
[00:04:30] Speaker B: That not. Was that the following year?
[00:04:32] Speaker A: No. Yep. So then. Then we did the coming pagan utopia.
[00:04:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, that's right. That was the entire event. Yeah.
[00:04:41] Speaker A: Right.
[00:04:42] Speaker B: But we had Andrew two years. I just remember the first time that he heard Dennis speak, he was sitting in the background.
[00:04:47] Speaker A: The following year was shining as lights.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: That's right.
[00:04:52] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:04:53] Speaker B: That's right.
Yeah. Andrew was so overwhelmed by Dennis's talk that he could like barely sing at first. He was just so overwhelmed with that vision of heaven and what. What we have to look forward to before our creator.
[00:05:07] Speaker A: So, yes, yeah, we. We switched some model. We. We switched from think tank more to symposia or a symposium type of event. And we were trying to upscale it where we did questions that millennials ask. And so some of those hot cultural topic items.
The model went from really going back and looking at Dr. Jones's content and creating think tanks or a symposium based on that, which was the Gospel Truth, Pagan Lies symposium. And that was a marvelous event. That was the last in person event in California. And then I moved to South Carolina, God's country.
And where we did an event at First Presbyterian Church and that was the event in 2020. That was right before COVID hit. And then we switched to a online medium or online version of our think tanks. And we continue that for a number of years. And those that content's all available on our. On our website. But now we have come to a time where we are bringing back dusting off the old think tank. And this is called the Peter Jones Lectures. It is. And subtitled or main title really. The God of sex, male and female, he created them.
And at a first glance, God and sex, it makes like this odd kind of pairing. And right, because they would seem at opposite ends. God who is holy, he's transcendent.
He is not male or female, he is spirit. Or if you go back to the children's catechism and doesn't have a body like a man. Sex is something that is created. One of the crux issues that culturally, churches, politically, educationally.
Carl Truman wrote this fantastic book. All of the problems that we are facing today in society, it boils down to the rejection of the Creator.
It is a Romans 1 issue.
And when you exchange the truth of God for the lie in worship and service of. To worship and serve creation rather than the Creator, it's going to open up all kinds of problems.
Sex is one of those recurring issues that for decades have. Has been an issue and it's been percolating in one form or another.
Are we addressing sex in the bedroom? Are we addressing the issue of sex as what are roles? And you look back into like in the 80s and the 90s for the purity movement, which has for some have left people wounded. And in reaction they've left the church loud. But that was a church trying to respond to those questions.
And for all of its faults, at least the church was trying to address something. Mainline churches had little problems embracing the issue of and addressing issues of sexuality. The problem was though with the mainline churches is because they rejected the authority of scripture, because they had rejected the Jesus of the Bible.
They rejected their confessions. They embraced really the sexual liberation that went on in the 60s, the embracement of monism, that there is no male or female. All this one. And this is where Dr. Jones wrote a wonderful piece on androgyny. So this think tank, the God of sex, male and female, he created them. We will be looking at that issue of what is man?
What is man that God is so mindful of him, you have made him lower than the angels? What is man that God would actually transcend time and space and actually enter into our world and become man and die the death that we deserve and live the life that we couldn't.
What is man? And so we hope to really tackle that. We hope to tackle that issue of that man is something that God has created with dignity.
We reflect his image that he is chosen.
He's chosen man to be partakers of this plan of redemption.
And so I'm super excited about it. I think that this event will be of great benefit to the church for years to come.
And so of course we have Dr. Jones who will be joining us in person, Dr. Rosario Butterfield.
Then of course you. I'll be emceeing it and then giving little minor talks in between and pulling everything together. It's a two day event and it of course, the location is here in Columbia, South Carolina. The event is hosted by my church, King's Church ARP.
And it's going to be June 5th and June 6th. So a Friday night, a Saturday morning to the afternoon and more information about the event is on the website where you can register at www.truth exchange.com. mary, is there anything that I left out in terms of just the basic information of the event?
[00:10:38] Speaker B: Excellent. No, you didn't. And it's so funny that you had to explain to people that you're excited because you're like radiating excitement through the screen at me as we talk about this.
And I love it. I love it because you and I both cut our teeth at Truth Exchange on this event. Like it was the singular thing towards which we worked and out of which we had so much content that we used to train Christians through the years.
And one of the distinctives that I think, you know, really stood out and that people have written to us.
We have one dear brother who I'd say quarterly, he's a monthly donor to Truth Exchange, but I'd say quarterly, he includes a little note in the envelope that we receive with his donation that says, I missed the think tanks.
And think tanks were not, they weren't conferences and there's a place for a conference. I, you know, you and I have worked at conferences. We were at, you know, G3 in Atlanta a couple of years ago, the PCA General Assembly.
We've been at Together for the Gospel, the, the Shepherd's Conference up in Los Angeles. And those are wonderful events, but there's a separation between the speakers and the audience.
And the thing I love about the think tanks and that we've talked a lot about as we've been designing this program is that we always had intentional time built into these programs where the people who were presenting up front also, we're spending time in meal conversations, in Q and A, in the halls, being pulled aside, interacting with people, having.
Including everyone who's there in the conversation.
And I think that's so valuable. There were beautiful friendships and relationships that were built out of that.
And as we launched this new series, and as you said, it's the Peter Jones Lectures Series series, this is the beginning of a new annual event.
We want to foster and build those relationships again. I mean, you and I both have friendships. We have people that we can pick up the phone and that we can call and have conversations with about various issues because of the time that we spent with them at those think tanks. And I mean, at that time, Joshua, you and I were both. I mean, we were just staff members. We were admin.
But there was.
There was a.
A respect and a collegiate aspect of each of these events that really carried through the years. And we'd like to build that environment again. And so I really want to. I really want to key in on that. And actually, that. That final live event that we did in Columbia in 2020, you're right that it was right as.
It was right as Covid was hitting.
And I remember it was the first time that I'd ever been in an airport and seen so many people in masks and actually was wondering if I should be wearing a mask myself. I mean, it really. The shutdown came within a couple of weeks of our having held that event.
But one of the things that stands out to me there is that Rosaria was a speaker at that event. And I was.
I remember being on the plane flying out to South Carolina. I had just finished for the second time her book, the Gospel Comes with a House Key.
And I was intimidated to meet her. I was so, like, I really was kind of terrified. And yet what I found, instead of, like, this thought leader who was coming in to kind of tell me what was what.
What I found instead was this beautiful sister who's become a wonderful friend and a mentor in some ways, because she's my sister in Christ. And that's why she was there. She was there to. To share the message of the gospel using the perspectives of 1 ISM and 2 ISM to communicate something that would equip the people who were there, including me, to have a witness, to have a voice in our own communities the way that she does so beautiful, beautifully in her own community.
And so it's very dear that now that we're coming back to South Carolina. Rosaria will be there.
She was saying in a text message, I think it was with both of us, you know, that this feels so much like a family reunion. You know, we're going to have to kind of rein ourselves in and reign in our emotions because this is what we're all about. It's what we've been about this entire time. And I feel like it's been bottled up for years. And it's so exciting to get to take the cork off of that again and hope that people who are able will take the time to come and to join us and to start building this again. This is just the first of what we pray will be many.
[00:15:45] Speaker A: Yes. And so we do encourage our listeners is is we're only a few weeks out, but to especially here, if you're local in here in South Carolina, to join us. You'll hear ground reports from Azaria and as well as Mary, who have spoken to school board meetings, who who have been involved in state legislatures actively advocating for the truth in legislation and policy.
You'll hear from from Dr. Jones and Dr. Butterfield and Mary, who are going to be applying biblical truth to the lie that has been harming the church and the culture. We're going to be touching on subjects like feminism, abortion, transgenderism, homosexuality, toxic masculinity, the biblical mandate and of course, the beauty of the hope of the gospel.
So it will be such a refreshing time.
And again, like I said, you can find more information. You can Register online at www.truthexchange.com.
mary, you had sent there's a piece that went out, I think it was yesterday, on Wednesday, talking about things that happened in North Carolina. Could you talk a little bit about that?
[00:17:00] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Well, you know, it's interesting because there are some things that are happening legislatively and in the high schools in North Carolina that I think are extremely relevant to what we're going to be talking about. But I had just been telling you, and this is what I wrote about, you know, it's crazy to think that Dr. Jones wrote androgyny, the pagan sexual ideal, over 20 years ago. I want to say it was in 2003 that he wrote that original article and it's still one of the most popular pieces on our website every year. And we've gotten to a point, you know, to give a little bit of the inside, you know, baseball on the conversations that we have on the back end where Dr. Jones is scared that, you know, this is tired content. And we're like, no, it's Just growing and it's relevant relevance to people. And so there is a gentleman that I follow who lives in Asheville, North Carolina, I think is where he's located. And he had posted on X recently because he had returned to the church after about 25 years of not having faith be any part of his life. And he's now a professing Christian. And. And he posted this kind of plaintive cry on X the day that you and I were going onto a call about this event.
And after describing how many people he thought were Christians he was seeing defend homosexuality, transgender procedures for children, and the erasure of single sex spaces in the name of inclusivity, he's asking, how did a faith built on the goodness of creation, the dignity of the body, and the truth that every person bears the image of God regardless of their skin color end up getting so sucked in by these leftist slogans?
And I thought, well, there it is. You know, this is why Peter's article grows in relevance. Because, you know, Peter was seeing the lie coming.
And now we live in a culture where the lie and a church where the lie has lived and grown and had its effect. And so, well, Peter was seeing it coming and trying to warn people. Now it's here and we're dealing with it.
So I really thought that that was a poignant and relevant question to be asking, you know, when we're getting ready to do an event like that. And so I think that's why Truth Exchange contends or continues to be.
I don't know, I feel like we're the little engine that could sometimes, you know, we're not a huge.
We're small.
And yet Dr. Jones really had put his finger on what we were going to be dealing with. And he worked and worked and worked for decades to give us answers about how to think about all of this, how to speak about all of this.
And so, you know, we are going to have things like the on the ground reports, and I think that's what you were referring to, Joshua, with some of the stuff that's happening in North Carolina. But of course, I'm still here in Escondido, California.
And the issues that we're dealing with here in California are the same ones that Rosaria has been speaking to the legislature about in North Carolina.
I've been seeing coming across my feed over the last couple of days. There are three teenage girls in Mount Pleasant, North Carolina, who are speaking out because they have men in their female sports. They have adolescent males who are coming into their locker rooms when they're changing, you know, often.
Well, I would, I would say personally, 100% of the time, these are not, well, young men.
These are not young men who, you know, just want acceptance. There are other things that are going on and a lot of them are very predatory, quite frankly.
They have sexual desires and lusts that have been fueled by this trans movement. And they are playing that out in the presence of, of young women who are trying just to change and use the restroom in their private spaces. And so one of these girls was so traumatized and so upset by what happened in her high school that she's not even speaking out of it about it. Her friends are feeling like they need to speak out about it. We have the same things that are going on here in California. We've talked extremely extensively on the podcast about the fact that schools here in Escondido were sued. The, the lower school district in Escondido was sued because they were hiding the secret transitions that they were doing on students on, on campus. And the Supreme Court vacated a stay that the ninth Circuit Court had put on that law.
And rather than stepping back and saying, oh, the Supreme Court really has something to say about this, this law is illegal, it's unconstit to change it. California has just taken the gloves off to the extent that our Department of Justice, the DOJ for the Trump administration, is coming in to investigate LAUSD because they are hiding secret transitions of young people on their campuses. And there are two parents who are actually suing LAUSD right now because their own son who was on the spectrum and was dealing with mental health issues and was in counseling that the parents were providing for him.
He, he was still being influenced by transgender ideology at his school and eventually he separated himself from his family and unfortunately he committed, committed suicide. And there were things being done to him and he was being encouraged in this ideology behind his parents backs.
So it's interesting, a lot of people think like, well, the Trump administration has done these executive orders, there are these changes that are happening in red states. And yet this ideology is still being pressed and is still having a drastic, dramatic effect on our culture. And so we need to know how to speak about that not going anytime soon.
So at these on the ground reports and people who've attended our old think tanks will understand these more clearly. But our on the ground reports that Rosaria and I are going to be doing is talking about real on the ground issues that we have spoken about, issues that we have dealt with in our personal capacity in our own lives. It's not just things that we've read about online, but things that we're dealing in our own communities and ways that we have addressed them so that people can think about similarities in their own situations, in their own states, their own church communities and start applying, applying this hermeneutic. Because if it just stays theology, if it's, if it doesn't get practiced, if it doesn't get applied to our daily lives, it does no amount of good.
It doesn't for the kingdom.
[00:24:04] Speaker A: That's, I love how you're putting that in framing that and the importance of why to come in person to attend this think tank is you will walk away with a knowledge about a subject, but you will also be given the language to be able to communicate, dismantle, disarm. The one is lie and speak the hope and beauty of the twoist gospel because it's, you know, Dr. Jones in a number of his, if you've been around the truth exchange, you've heard him talk about the ick factor. Because one of the issues that Dr. Jones has, has really labored for years on is the issue of sexuality is the issue of homosexuality.
And he says it's not enough to just say it's icky.
We need to understand really the scope of what the lie has done, why it's a lie.
And, and then the, and then, then with, with great precision go in with the beauty of two, the beauty of the gospel.
That's, that's a great, great, great framing, Mary.
[00:25:15] Speaker B: Yeah. And you know, Joshua, I, I, I mean sin is awful. It is icky, right? Whether it's homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, gender confusion, any, any kind of sin is disgusting.
And yet we sort of get, we get caught up on that.
And I think it's only by self righteousness that we can say, ooh, that's gross. I'm not going to deal with it. Rather than recognizing, no, this is a sin that's affecting an image bearer. This person in front of me bears the image of God just as I do.
They were created for a sacred purpose. And if I can share something, if I can speak to the witness of creation in their own lives by building a relationship with them in some way and then speaking truth into that relationship, that is exactly what we are called to do as believers.
[00:26:17] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:26:18] Speaker B: And if I can just share a story, I think I, I know I've shared this with you personally, but I don't think that I've talked about it quite, quite publicly and just out of respect for the person that I'm Talking about.
I won't go into any details, but I was just, I was in a situation where I was on a flight and I was sitting next to a young woman who, you know, we just ended up being in the road together by ourselves, which in and of itself seemed extraordinary, especially if you, if you've flown recently. They really like to pack flights in. But in the course of conversation, she mentioned several times that she had a girlfriend. And so I thought, okay, you know, this woman deals with same sex attraction. I didn't really say much about it. I honestly, I wanted to, like, get to some of the work that I needed to do while I was on the flight.
But we kept up the conversation and, and we kept chatting and she finally asked me, so what it is, what is it that you do for a living?
And I, I explained to her, I said, oh, well, you know, I work for an apology biblical apologetics, a cultural apologetics ministry. And she said, oh, well, I'm a Christian. And so, you know, I tucked that away into my mind too, that she did have a girlfriend, but she was an openly professing Christian. She said, I was just doing my Bible study before you got on the plane and sat in my row. And I said, oh, really? And she said, well, why would you apologize for, for being a Christian? I don't, I don't understand how you could have a ministry based around that. And so, you know, I talked to her about what biblical apologetics were, and some of, you know, what we do. And she said, well, give me an example of how you would do that. And this is how wimpy I am. So I used my example that everyone on the podcast has heard a million times about. Well, you know, for instance, when Christians say that we pray, that is what we would call a twoist action, because there are two forms of existence. There's God who's outside of us, and then there's all of his creation. So when we pray, we're praying holy God.
Yeah. Other people say I'm sending good energy or good thoughts, and that's not the same as prayer. And I explained why and thought that I had handled it and maybe the conversation would end.
She said, huh, well, give me another example. And I really, like, I really. Joshua. It was, it was one of those situations where I was like, am I gonna come right out with this? Like, I'm sitting here surrounded by people on the plane. We're up in the air, it's not loud anymore.
[00:29:00] Speaker A: What must I do to be saved?
Can you go away? I'm Trying to read a book.
[00:29:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I've got some writing to do, kid.
And so I said, well, the main area of my focus for the last few years has been on. On gender and transgenderism specifically. And she kind of laughed and she said, that doesn't sound very fun or something along those lines. And I was like, well, you know, it's gotten easier, but, you know, I apply this hermeneutic to gender and sexuality. And she said, how?
And so, Joshua, I mean, the Lord, what was I going to do? You know, I was sick to my stomach. I was, I was nearly in tears the second that I opened my mouth because I knew I was gonna just right out front confront this young, beautiful woman. She's lovely.
And so I took her straight to Genesis, the beginning of Genesis, and talked to her about how we were created, male and female, in God's image, with a purpose.
And I took to Romans 1, you know, what we do all the time in this work. Took her to Romans 1 and explained how when we reject God and the witness of creation, that speaks to him that everything else begins to fall apart. I took her to Genesis 3 and I talked about how the curse that male and female received, they were sex based curses. They immediately had to do with the way that men and women would interact with each other and care for each other. It twisted that and changed it.
And as I was explaining that to her, she just started to cry. And.
And she said, I'm doing that right now.
And I started to, you know, I mean, I just. And I said, I, I know, sweetheart. You had mentioned a couple of times that you had a girlfriend. And so I know that you're doing that. And, and so we started to talk further about the way that even if we don't have children of our own, we are created male and female, to train others up in the way that they should go to train young men and women up understanding the glory and the sovereignty of God and his mandate over our lives, that our identities are couched in him. And she started to cry harder. And she said, there are kids in the relationship that I'm in and I'm hurting them too.
And I just told her, you, you are.
And I'm not coming at this from a place of personal judgment on you because I married an unbeliever.
My kids will deal with the fact that they have a dad who is not a believer for the rest of their lives. So I have affected children badly in the same way that you're talking about. And yet God is sovereign. And when you recognize and repent of that sin. He is so gracious to show you ways to show his glory in those lives. And that conversation, Joshua continued all the way through the airport. We landed, we kept talking when we used the restroom, when we were waiting for our rights to come. And I'm still in contact with her. But that is an example of how, you know, we talk about the creation mandate, and it seems like this amorphous thing that doesn't apply to us anymore. It happened at the beginning of time, and it doesn't matter now. But what I found with this young woman is that the witness of creation, it is something she was suppressing. And when it was presented her in the beautiful form that twoism takes, she recognized how sad it was she was ignoring it. And that the things she was clear clinging to in the form of this relationship that she was in could not be beautiful according to God's perfect and beautiful standard. And that that wasn't a judgment on her because she was icky.
It was a.
It was a conversation about how she couldn't even love this woman that she was professing to love properly in a way that was good for that woman and her children, because she was doing it in a way that ignored that mandate. So it did convict, just as that convicted me when the Lord was dealing with me and my heart and my situation.
But it also offered her an opportunity for how she could begin to reconcile that, how she could begin to undo that harm, how she could begin to entrust this woman that she professed to love, that she'd been loving badly and selfishly into a holy God's hands, knowing that he, as the Creator and the Redeemer, is capable, more capable. She's completely incapable of. Of hearing her prayers for this woman. Seeing the witness of her righteous action, even in leaving the relationship, she could trust him to hold on to those prayers for the woman she'd been in a relationship and for her children to perfect those prayers and to be moved by them because he was hearing them from someone who had trusted Christ, asked for forgiveness, sought repentance, and then was going to her father for help in the mess that she had made happen day to day in our relationships. And it looks messy and it is hard and it does hurt, but it builds a path for us to pursue righteousness, to love and truth, to not be a clinging gong, and to offer people not just a view of the problem, but also grab hold of. Of the solutions that God offers in his love for us as human beings. So I'm sorry for that long story, but I think it's relevant to what we're going to be talking about at this think tank.
[00:34:58] Speaker A: Absolutely, absolutely.
And so Rosario Butterfield will be joining us, and she'll be addressing the issue of feminism, I think, even coupled with abortion. So that will be. That will be very fascinating.
And then, Mary, of course, you are going to be tackling again the Leviathan of transgenderism.
[00:35:21] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:35:22] Speaker A: And then Dr. Jones, he will be giving a talk on sexuality, but I think he's gonna. It will, at certain points narrow in on. On homosexuality.
[00:35:35] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:35:36] Speaker A: And. And Dr. Jones had sent us this note, and I'm gonna. I'm gonna read off of it. But how. He asked the question, how useful is theology when discussing sexuality?
Are they not miles apart? But in everything we do, we must express morality. So we need to understand what issues of morality are involved in sexual activity. And how does sex involve living before God and giving him glory?
And this is the importance of oneism and two ism. And he says that there are two important issues that come to his mind when thinking about discussing theology and sexuality. One is the issue of difference. That God, he first, he creates us as different from himself, and so he is the creator and we are the creatures, which suggests that there's a major distinction between us and him. So that in our lives we have to affirm the goodness of that difference and that he's created us in a twoist world. That the distinctions have deep meaning. Male and female has a deep meaning, and that that male and female distinction preserves a major distinction that is a witness to how God has created the world.
And there are distinctions between good and evil, intelligence and foolishness, animals and humans, between male and female. The second difference is this is image. God declares that humans are made, and he made them male and female. This is the Genesis 1:27.
So God created man in his own image. In the image of God, he created him. Male and female. He created them. We are given a role to reflect the very essence of God in our different sexualities. And this is a wonderful and noble calling, one that's lost today in a world of oneism, in a world of androgyny, where androgynous sexual sexuality that mix the male and female, like homosexuality and gender confusion or transsexuality.
It misses that great calling that actually witnesses to a different. And one is God. And so that's the end of Dr. Jones's note to us.
Yeah, what an exciting, exciting time we live in, that we can be witnesses as the church to the image of God to a world that has been bankrupted and lost in total confusion, in total blur. We have the keys of the power of a twoist gospel, that there is a Creator who is different from his creation, who entered into creation, who gives himself for his church, that we could be reconciled, that the whole cosmos is being reconciled by the Creator, who is the Redeemer. Praise the Lord. Mary, did you want to add anything before we close?
[00:38:41] Speaker B: Joshua, is there a cost for the event?
[00:38:43] Speaker A: There is a cost. It is registration is $50 and that covers the whole event, including your evening and morning refreshments, as well as a lunch on Saturday.
[00:38:55] Speaker B: Excellent. And I would say too, just if there are people who want to bring an entire group, or if there are people who would like to come, but they will struggle with the cost to reach out to
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